1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Last Thursday on the Paul Benziquin Show, WEI heard a carefully documented account of the 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,280 sighting of an object in the sky. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,720 This morning Paul Benziquin's notepad carries a report of that sighting and the events that 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:14,720 followed. 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,720 Tom, Mrs. A.E. Clinton of Brookline called to tell us in great detail how she, her husband, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,440 and her 14-year-old son had seen an extremely bright object 63 degrees high on the eastern 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,200 sky at 10.25 during the blackout of last Tuesday evening. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,680 She said it could have been as bright as the moon and was traveling at a speed her husband 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,720 calculated at 22,500 miles per hour. 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,880 Following a brief WEI news report, the next caller, a man from Revere, corroborated all 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,240 details of Mrs. Clinton's sighting and added that he had seen occasional bright orange 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,440 lights shooting from the object. 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,400 He was so impressed by the object that he reported it to the Smithsonian Astrophysical 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Observatory. 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,920 A lady in Framingham then reported that she had talked to two friends who had also been 16 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,480 perplexed by a sky object seen at the same time. 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,320 She promised to confer again with the ladies for additional details. 18 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:11,280 Next a boy from Medford confirmed that he and his father had also seen a bright oval 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,280 in the sky. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,000 A Newton lady then came on the line to describe a strange object that she had seen shortly 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,600 after the lights went out. 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,400 This one was marked with a prominent cross and had blue and red lights on the bottom. 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Mrs. Sally Turner, a WEI faithful, described the object vividly, matching all but its statistical 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,320 details with the call from Mrs. Clinton. 25 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:36,200 A woman in South Dennis who didn't want to go on the air said that from where she looked 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,480 on the Kate, the object seemed to hang over the darkened city of Providence. 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Next, a sighting from Roslindale placed the object 20 degrees above the eastern horizon 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:51,000 at 840, rising gradually until it disappeared at 920, possibly consistent with what was seen 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 an hour and five minutes later by Mrs. Clinton. 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,480 A Matta Pan woman who described herself as a UFO skeptic told of a round, extremely brilliant 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 object which she thought at first might have been a plane circling because it couldn't 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,640 land at the Blackdow Logan Airport. 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,840 She became convinced it couldn't be an airplane and remained mystified. 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,040 Then Edwin W. Fogg, publicity director for the New England UFO Club, called to reject 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 the sighting because of its estimated speed. 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,280 He said that a good observer would have given angular velocity rather than true speed because 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,920 he wouldn't have known exactly how far away the object was. 38 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:29,680 Mr. Fogg predicted the sighting would ultimately be identified. 39 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,600 He was exactly right, for the object was well known from the outset. 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,920 When Mrs. Clinton was asked if the object was as bright as the moon, she said, it could 41 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,120 have been. 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Of course it could. 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:47,080 It was the moon, the very object she had agreed to call WEEI to describe. 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,720 Mrs. Clinton is really Mrs. Waldo Fielding, the former sous-penned, who is as fine an 45 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,320 actress as we could have found to play the part. 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:59,560 The moon she described was one day less than full, and by simply omitting its name, she 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,920 caused a flurry of calls based on the most identifiable object in the night sky. 48 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,600 Only Mrs. Turner, among all the callers, knew what that object was. 49 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,440 It is fair to wonder this. 50 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Among the 9,000 UFOs reported over the past 10 years or so, how many were like this? 51 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:24,520 If you plan to call this afternoon between 2 and 6 on WEEI, think twice before you report 52 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,520 a UFO. 53 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,720 You're a tricky one, Paul. 54 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,720 You're a tricky one. 55 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Be sure to hear Paul this afternoon and every afternoon from 2 to 6. 56 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,320 His number, Devonshire 8, 6700. 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Get him a call, but make sure you got your facts straight because he checks on them. 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,400 They possibly meant the moon. 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,400 I would give it. 60 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Because the moon was very unusual that night. 61 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Yes, it was. 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,840 It was about the only brightness we had around. 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,360 That and the electric lights down in front of the Saxon Theater. 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,360 But it was... 65 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:57,120 I was on the toll road going, heading east and right at 128 at about 10 minutes after 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,120 5. 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,120 At first I thought it was the sun, but it was in the wrong direction. 68 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,120 It was bright orange, just like a pumpkin. 69 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,720 And then I thought maybe it was some kind of an advertising device, but it would definitely 70 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,720 be moon. 71 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,800 The moon was very beautiful that night. 72 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,800 And we set this thing up just for the same purpose to find out that... 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,800 How could anybody not recognize the moon? 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Well, it wasn't until the day afterward on Friday that I got a call from a man in Marshfield 75 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,720 who indicated that he definitely knew what it was. 76 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:31,000 He placed the moon at that hour at 62.5 degrees, rather than 63, so I knew instantly that he 77 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,000 had done some checking and that he had pinpointed our unidentified object. 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Did you like to speculate a little on UFOs? 79 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,520 Okay. 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Fine. 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,520 Not a bit? 82 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,520 All right. 83 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,520 I'm not a... 84 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,520 I have no... 85 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Your radio is bedeviling you like a UFO. 86 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Why don't you turn it down so we can talk? 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,520 Turn down the radio. 88 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,520 That's a turn down the radio. 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,520 I'm speculating on UFOs. 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,520 I've never seen one, but I'm very open-minded. 91 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,520 You are? 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,520 I understand you are not. 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,520 But the evidence that you have shown. 94 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:54,520 All right. 95 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,520 We'll say I've got a closed mind on unidentified flying objects. 96 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,520 All right. 97 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,520 Ten years ago, we never were out in space. 98 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Were we? 99 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,520 We were out in space. 100 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,520 We were out in space. 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,520 We were out in space. 102 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:06,520 We were out in space. 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,520 We were out in space. 104 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,520 We were out in space. 105 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,520 We were out in space. 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,520 We were out in space. 107 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Were we? 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,520 No, we were not. 109 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,520 We were, I think, ten years ago. 110 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,520 We had pretty good probes going up there with the V2s and the early model American rockets. 111 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,520 All right. 112 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Within ten years, we have sent two probes to other planets, right? 113 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,520 Right. 114 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,520 And we are approaching landing on the moon. 115 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,520 Uh-huh. 116 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,520 And NASA is seriously spending millions of dollars to find out if there's life on other 117 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,520 planets. 118 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Right. 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,520 And this has only come about in ten years. 120 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Uh-huh. 121 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,520 And if we can send a probe to another planet, is there any way they can send a probe to 122 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,520 our planet? 123 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,520 None ever. 124 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,520 We can put a monopoly on it. 125 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,520 None, none whatever. 126 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,520 All right. 127 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Now, what happened, say, a million years from now, if we continue to exist in the progressive 128 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,520 society, what can we do a million years from now? 129 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Quite a bit, can't we? 130 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Sure. 131 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Well, look to see whether this civilization, there was not a civilization out in space, 132 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,520 but at least a billion years older than we are. 133 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Is there any reason there is not? 134 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,520 None whatever. 135 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,520 All right. 136 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,520 Isn't it very possible that there are UFOs around here studying this? 137 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Not on the basis of the evidence at hand. 138 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Well, even the crew didn't even have to do it. 139 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Well, of course it's a possibility. 140 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,520 It's a possibility that some of the radio sounds that we pick up on these enormous television 141 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,520 radio antennas that probe deep space, it's possible that the one now in what is it, W-43 142 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,520 section out there, that is sending us a pulsing message. 143 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Maybe several million years ago, these people tried to get in touch with us. 144 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,520 All right. 145 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Well, if they can send a probe to Mars, can't somebody on Mars send a probe to us? 146 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,520 No, because there isn't anybody up there to send a probe. 147 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Well, you're so certain of that. 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Yes, I am. 149 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,520 Well, I'm not. 150 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Well, I am on the basis of the last flyby. 151 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,520 We have. 152 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,520 There's no life on Mars. 153 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Well, our planet right now is Jupiter. 154 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,520 Now scientists are saying that contrary to their prior beliefs, Jupiter might have a civilization 155 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,520 on it. 156 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,520 I'm ready to hear from that. 157 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Very well. 158 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,520 I won't just say that because a number of nitwits have reported unidentified flying 159 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,520 out of the Earth. 160 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,520 All right. 161 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,520 Well, whether it's Jupiter or Mars or Venus, it's possible there could be some civilizations 162 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,520 posed by. 163 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,520 You have to rule out Venus, and you'll have to rule out Mars. 164 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,520 All right. 165 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,520 I want to prove that we can. 166 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Okay. 167 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Now, what about maybe one of the moons of Jupiter is helpful enough to support some of that? 168 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Yes. 169 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Or how about the other side of the moon itself? 170 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Maybe a landing base. 171 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,520 No, nothing up there, no atmosphere. 172 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Well, let's just say that there are skills. 173 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,520 You are talking in terms of our own progress. 174 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,520 What about the millions of years of progress that we're going to achieve later on? 175 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,520 We can overcome all these problems. 176 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Well, there are certain problems that you can only overcome on the basis of demonstrable 177 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,520 evidence. 178 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,520 And one of them, if there were any other life in this solar system, any other intelligible 179 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,520 life in this solar system right now, they'd have been in touch with us by radio a long 180 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,520 time ago. 181 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Well, can you communicate, can you talk with a dog? 182 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Well, I can talk to, I can talk to a dolphin. 183 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,520 We're learning how. 184 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Oh, you can too. 185 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Sure, we're learning how. 186 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Can you talk to a dog? 187 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Can you carry on an intelligent conversation with a dog? 188 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,520 No, and I'm finding it increasingly and progressively harder to talk intelligently with Mr. 189 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Bashuk and Danvers. 190 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Well, what I'm trying to say is it has been told to me by other people that these creatures 191 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,520 may be so far advanced beyond it that they don't know how to communicate with us, or 192 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,520 we don't know how to communicate with them. 193 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Well, when you show me some evidence that suggests that as a possibility, I will listen. 194 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,520 All right, and if you show evidence that is false, then you tell us that you don't show 195 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,520 that evidence. 196 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,520 No, what I say is that there is no demonstrable evidence of any of the things that you have 197 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,520 speculated about in the past four minutes. 198 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Well, then... 199 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,520 And when there is, my mind is more open than yours. 200 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,520 All right, then please keep your open mind. 201 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,520 I will. 202 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,520 Thank you, sir. 203 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:49,520 Thank you. 204 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,520 I would like to relate a little incident that I happen to be a part of. 205 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,520 It's an USS Boston. 206 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,520 Over in the Mediterranean, I don't know, off the screen, someplace I guess you would. 207 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,520 I had a shop on the main deck. 208 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,520 So I was standing outside the shop one day, and I looked up in the sky and seen three objects, 209 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,520 and I don't really think I could define what they looked like other than, you know, like 210 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,520 maybe a spotlight on the sky at nighttime. 211 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,520 And these three objects were flying down the port side of the ship, and there was one 212 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,520 room there standing in the shop, so I said, come on here, I said, what do you see up there? 213 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,520 He says, flying saucers and all of this crazy stuff. 214 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Well, I said, OK, I didn't get too alarmed about it, and I watched these objects fly down 215 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,520 there, and directly they disappeared. 216 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,520 And pretty soon here comes the ship's death, just walking down the deck off the ship's 217 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,520 down the Cape Sound place. 218 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,520 And he says, Chief, you'll never know what I, you'll never guess what I just saw. 219 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 And I said, I know three flying saucers, right? 220 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 So I'm not dissapointed. 221 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,520 If you've never seen these UFOs, then you'll be a believer. 222 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,520 I mean, they certainly convinced me that's up to top here. 223 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,520 You saw a very impressive object that you couldn't identify. 224 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,520 Well, I'm perfectly willing to admit that there may be mysterious objects moving around 225 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,520 in our atmosphere, but to speculate on them the way we have been doing, to say they have 226 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,520 to be from outer space or that because of their apparent movement they couldn't be terrestrial 227 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,520 or to endow them with all sorts of powers and characters and magnetic capabilities. 228 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,520 I think this is so much Milwaukee. 229 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:36,520 This is not the point, but if you've seen these so-called flying saucers like I wish to believe I had, 230 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,520 they certainly wouldn't crush you. 231 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,520 I mean, you'd be a believer in something up there. 232 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Did you see them in the daytime, Chief? 233 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Yes, it was in the daytime, Paul. 234 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,520 But it just would follow. 235 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,520 Anybody else on the ship would see that with all of that radar equipment you had and the 236 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,520 sighting devices, you could have made some pretty good measurements. 237 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,520 I would say that they probably could have picked it up on radar if it was of a mass. 238 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Something that could be contact. 239 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,520 According to Major Kehoe, there have been radar sightings of these UFOs and they've been pretty 240 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,520 well corroborated, but nobody has said what they are. 241 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:16,520 And what I think is dangerous is to speculate on these and to get a lot of alarm going about 242 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,520 creatures from outer space or the Russians having a secret myth. 243 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Well, we didn't do any of this foolishness when we had the power black out the other night. 244 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:30,520 So why should we do it with some little dinky object that hasn't yet to perform a harmful act to anybody on Earth? 245 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Don't you think that all the people over the last, I think since 1948 this UFO trick has been going, 246 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,520 and there must be some validity to what people say. 247 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Now I'm not going to... 248 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,520 We certainly demonstrated last Friday that you don't need to have any validity at all to set off a panic. 249 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Oh, certainly. You could clear it all kinds of habits by saying you've seen little brain monsters. 250 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:56,520 But the only thing I wanted to tell you, Paul, is if you haven't seen one, and if you have the good fortune of 251 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,520 seeing another object in the sky and you can't define it, you'll be up in the middle of a tunnel. 252 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:02,520 Okay, thank you. 253 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:03,520 Good hearing. 254 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,520 I'm just as skeptical about this as anybody else. 255 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Okay, me, for example. 256 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Right. 257 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:17,520 But I have here a little book about questions and answers on flying saucers. 258 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:23,520 And one of the things that they have in here is a regulation. 259 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Joint Army Navy Air Publication, which specifies that any pilot who reveals an official UFO report can be imprisoned for one to ten years and find it to $10,000. 260 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,520 Uh-huh. 261 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:45,520 Now I'd like to find out if this is a genuine ruling of the Joint Army and Navy and Air Force. 262 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,520 What is the regulation number? 263 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:55,520 It's JANAP number 146B. 264 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,520 I have JANAP. 265 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:58,520 All capitals? 266 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,520 All capitals. 267 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Joint Army and Navy Air Force Publication. 268 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,520 Publication. 269 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Okay, 146B. 270 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:14,520 Issued September 1951 and declassified on 12 December 1953. 271 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,520 Well, then it's ancient history, isn't it? 272 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Well, I understand from this reading this thing that it's still in effect and that... 273 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Well, by declassified it doesn't mean... 274 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Well, it's declassified. 275 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,520 It was secret up to that time. 276 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,520 And now it's declassified as made public information. 277 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,520 I'd like to find out if this regulation is still in effect and if so, why? 278 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,520 If there is no such thing as genuine flying saucers, why do they... 279 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Well, your logic is a little askew there. 280 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:53,520 It doesn't necessarily follow that because the Army, Navy and Air Force choose to put officers in jail for 10 years if they report anything that is classified as a UFO, that there is necessarily a UFO. 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,520 They might be disciplining them for contributing to a panicky situation or something like that. 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 There could be all sorts of reasons. 283 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:07,520 Well, there could be reasons, but this would tend to, in my mind, at least have some validity to the fact that there might be... 284 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:17,520 Pretty flimsy proof, pretty flimsy proof because the Army is not about to allow its officers to lend credence to something that could arouse the public emotion. 285 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,520 And this could be severely disciplined by the threat of 10 years in prison. 286 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Well, there is also another Air Force regulation number 200-2. 287 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,520 What does that say? 288 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:41,520 This specifies that all UFO sightings that have been proved, hoaxes, practical jokes and erroneous, are to be revealed to the public and all genuine UFO reports received must be kept from the public. 289 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 This is a big question that any reasonable person can answer. 290 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Why, if there is anything to this, won't the Air Force tell us about it? 291 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,520 I'll check on both of these if I can in the next hour and report back to you. 292 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,520 We'll find out especially if 146B is still in effect and what the thinking is behind it. 293 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,520 All right. Thank you, Mr. Alther. 294 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Psychophilia, the Panic, a year book in 1965 covering the calendar year 64, contains or bears under the category of PATs and trademarks a paragraph on inventions which reads as follows, 295 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:26,520 A flying machine that can relay messages and detect and intercept enemy missiles was granted to the United States of Patent in 1964. 296 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:32,520 The Patent T was aviation pioneer Major Alexander P. DeSeverski. 297 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:40,520 The machine, called an ionocrat, takes off vertically and hovers as high as 60 miles up by remote control. 298 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,520 It has no moving parts but moves by discharging ions. 299 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Since there is theoretically no limit to its size, several ionocrats hovering together could presumably shield a city from attack. 300 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,520 It could also be valuable as a, quote, flying antenna on for the military. 301 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Sure. 302 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Now, the ion propulsion devices are noiseless. 303 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Anything there to indicate how they generate the ions? 304 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,520 No, I know a little bit about it. 305 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Astro over in Everett and many places like it. 306 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:20,520 I've been doing research on plasma. 307 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:30,520 This is a molecule which have been stripped of other electrons by high temperatures or high electrical energies and this is precisely what they mean by a plasma torch. 308 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,520 I wonder what they would contain this stuff in though because at that temperature every material known to man melts. 309 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:43,520 I wouldn't be surprised if the technique is not unlike that for thermal nuclear work, the so-called magnetic bottles. 310 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Great big magnetic bottle and those things now are so heavy I don't know if you'd ever get one off the ground. 311 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Well, I don't know whether heavy or heavy. You're thinking of the extremely large cryogenic magnets and to my knowledge, present that's the only thing in which they can generate these magnetic seals. 312 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 But he has a patent. 313 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Well, we know that he has a patent but I haven't got any help yet. This is quite common in high technological industry to take out the pattern even before you get the prototype going. 314 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Well, it doesn't say that it's said to, it doesn't say here that it's said to take off, it says it does take off vertically and help us 60 miles up. 315 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,520 So I leave it at that to look better. 316 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Well, you know that would be a sensible explanation and hopefully if there isn't anything to it, there'd be no harm in telling us. 317 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:42,520 No, I think not. Except that if they intend to use it for protective cover, they'd like it not to be known. But here it is. I would not have called you had it not been here in the public domain. 318 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:50,520 I'm glad you did, Mr. Whitmore. It prompts me to make an analogy between that and the announcement last week by the Russians that they now have an orbiting missile. 319 00:17:50,520 --> 00:18:01,520 They have an orbited one yet, but they claim that that missile is capable of responding to directions. It could carry a nuclear warhead and could be brought down just about anywhere within the course of 48 hours. 320 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,520 I'm certain that this is not only possible, but it actually can be done as seen down here. 321 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,520 Sure. But I mean, the point of making the announcement is to let the other side know that you've got it. 322 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:20,520 And that might just have been the reasoning behind what the Russians did last week. We might ultimately choose to let them know that DeSacrowski has come up with this kind of a device. 323 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Well, I know one reason for that, to the security, and such a connection, that is that it seems that as soon as a defensive device or mechanism is known to exist, apart from any technical details being published, 324 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:43,520 someone sets about imagining what that device is and dreaming up a counter-device. 325 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Sure. So this may be the reason, but anyway, I would guess that the thing exists. 326 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Okay, Mr. Whitmore, good information, and I thank you for calling us to our attention. 327 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,520 WEDI's number is 1086700, your hometown hall. 328 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:07,520 I wonder if you can give me some information about Air Force 200-2, a regulation that has to do with how the Air Force shall deal with reports of unidentified flying objects. 329 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:24,520 Well, Paul, we have a UFO project officer here on the base, and any time that there is a report of an unidentified flying object, it is referred to this UFO project officer who tries to get as much detail as possible from the caller. 330 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:37,520 And when I say detail, the time, place, location, size, shape, any thing that would help in identifying the reported object or establishing any particular identity to the object. 331 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:46,520 This information is analyzed here, and it is then forwarded to the Foreign Technology Division office. 332 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Actually, it's called a Project Blue Book office. 333 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,520 That's the one I'm wondering about. 334 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,520 At Wright Patterson Air Force Base, where all UFO reports are consolidated. 335 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Now they, in turn, take this material, analyze it, and they do direct investigations. 336 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:09,520 Investigations are conducted on every report where the information is complete enough that you could actually do an investigation. 337 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:22,520 I'll give you what I'm trying to clear up is the repeated report that the Air Force is playing footsie with the public, and will not tell us anything about Project Blue Book that you never get any satisfaction on a sighting when you do report it to the Air Force. 338 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,520 And can you tell me whether or not this is true? Is there any classified aspect to the disposition of these cases? 339 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,520 No, there is nothing classified on it, but we do investigate every report. 340 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:55,520 For example, Paul, since 1958, about 92% of the UFO reports have been fully investigated, and it has been determined that none of these constituted any threat to the defense posture of this country from any space or any foreign element. 341 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:02,520 Yes, I'm sure this would be the case. There are reasonable people dealing with these things, and the stories that we get are so easily implanted. 342 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:09,520 We had an instance that we deliberately perpetrated here last week. The project that was cited was the moon, and we simply didn't name it. 343 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:17,520 And I'm just trying to find out whether or not that, is there any publication by the Air Force on how you handle this as a matter of policy? 344 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:27,520 There is a pamphlet that is published showing the results of Project Blue Book, and there are regulations that show how it is normally done, Paul, but these are not for public consumption. 345 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 They are for internal use. 346 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:40,520 I think I'd better have a talk with you off the air and get as much of a picture as I can of policy on this so that I'll be able to respond to these sightings as sensibly as you try to be. 347 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Okay, well, you might find this interesting. It's very strange that they do seem to run in cycles. 348 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,520 They do. 349 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:53,520 For example, at Hanscom Field during the calendar year 64, we had a total of 21 UFO reports that were brought in here. 350 00:21:53,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Now, here at Hanscom this year, we have had a total of 70, and 49 of those reports have been with on the past 60 days. 351 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,520 Major, I'd like to call you back in 15 minutes. This is worth talking about, I think, and if you're willing, we are certainly willing. 352 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Real fine, Paul. You can get me an extension 5191 at Hanscom. 353 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,520 Thank you very much, sir. 354 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,520 Okay. 355 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,520 And Paul Benzick went very shortly. We'll be in touch again with Major Derry Berry out at Hanscom. 356 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Hanscom Air Force Base in Bedford to talk about the regulations that govern flying saucer sightings or unidentified flying object sightings. 357 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Project Blue Book at Wright-Patterson Air Base and JANAP, which is a joint Army Navy publication, 146B. 358 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,520 That gives a man 10 years in prison if he pops off about UFOs as sighted. 359 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Okay. We're waiting on that call. It'll be through shortly. 360 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Your head with Derry Berry at Hanscom Air Force Base. Hello, Major. 361 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,520 Yes, Paul. 362 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Good of you to be available again. 363 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,520 I see you. 364 00:22:52,520 --> 00:23:02,520 Major, is the Air Force aware of an attitude of questioning, hostility concerning its disposition with the UFO sightings that it processes in Project Blue Book? 365 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:13,520 Well, Paul, we have had some people who have called in, have called in and questioned, and we have tried to be as cooperative as we could with the press. 366 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:21,520 You see, sometimes in checking these things out, we could conceivably find out that it could be a quantified operation of our own. 367 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,520 Oh, I see. 368 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,520 That is going on. 369 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,520 Could you say as much? 370 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,520 Could you say just that much to a person who has reported it? 371 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,520 What do you see? 372 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,520 Oh, now when I say we, I am not referring to here at Hanscom Field, for example. 373 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Let me give you a hypothetical situation that perhaps would clarify it. 374 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,520 Good. 375 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:50,520 We have now an airplane called the YF-12A. It is a very radical departure from the normal configuration of an airplane. 376 00:23:50,520 --> 00:24:00,520 Now this aircraft was designed and test flown out on the west coast on the president's, President Amantz, the existence of this aircraft several months ago. 377 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,520 I remember hearing that announcement. 378 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:14,520 Okay, now when this airplane, in order to have the aircraft, we must develop it, we must design it, develop it, and test fly it, and say, and know that the airplane can do the job that it was designed to do. 379 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Right. 380 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:23,520 In order to test fly it, it has got to be on the air, and we can't always keep it over an area that is isolated and the people can't see it. 381 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:36,520 So if they look up in the sky and they see this very strange configuration of an aircraft that is an undergoing test, it is something by design specification, it is very, very different from what they are normally accustomed to seeing. 382 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,520 So would you like to all head up over that and record it as a UFO? 383 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520 They could conceivably. 384 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:49,520 Okay, now you might recall about six months ago that there was an announcement about a testing of a flying bathtub. Do you remember this? 385 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Daguely. 386 00:24:50,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Well the flying bathtub was a vehicle that was being tested on the west coast as a possible re-entry vehicle that could be controlled and actually maneuvered in the space program. 387 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,520 It could be controlled re-entered into space. 388 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:14,520 Well I can imagine what my reaction would be if I had not known that there were such things were going on, if I suddenly looked up in the sky and saw something that looked like a bathtub. 389 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:23,520 I see. So all this activity, we've got a confusing situation and people in all good faith might make a sighting of one of these objects, and you're not in a position to say, well we know what that was. 390 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Yes, that is the situation. You see, there are certain parameters that are held by the military and necessarily so in the interest of national security and safety as we make such tests and what have you, and it attains such a factor in our defense program and our space program that our government decides one of the time is right to make an announcement that we have such a capability. 391 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,520 Sure. 392 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Major, could the Air Force say to me now we have no evidence that any of these objects that have been sighted are extra terrestrial? 393 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:06,520 Yes, we can definitely say that Paul. The 92% that we have been able to fully investigate, we can definitely say that. 394 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:24,520 And the other 8%, the only reason I would not say it about that is that according to the budget Blue Book report, and this is what I'm quoting, we did not have enough material available, enough evidence given in order that we could complete the reports and reach a conclusion. 395 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Major, I don't mean to hit you with this one unexpectedly, but I got it unexpectedly. You may or may not know about it. It's a Joint Army Navy Air Force publication 146B as of September 1951, declassified in 1953. 396 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:48,520 The way I got it, it carries a 10-year sentence for any officer in any of the services who discloses the nature of UFO sighting. Have you ever heard of anything like that? 397 00:26:48,520 --> 00:27:00,520 No, I have, Paul, but I would not normally do so. You see, I am not the UFO project officer. I am a public information officer whose job is working with radio, newspaper, television, books, magazines, things of this type. 398 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,520 But that would be quite easy to check. A 146B, Joint Army Navy Air Force publication. 399 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Yes, I could check. I might have to go to 146B, Army Navy Air Force. 400 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:18,520 And I am in no hurry for it. If you could just drop it into the mail or something like that, I would be able to refer it to the conversation you and I have just had. 401 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Alright, well I can check and see if I can get it. I know they would not be available here at Hanscom. I do not think it would be available. And what was the date on this, Paul? 402 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,520 1951, declassified in 1953. 403 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:39,520 1951, declassified in 1953. Let me check and see if it's available. And if it is, I will get it for you. And if not, I will certainly let you know whether or not I could get it. 404 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:46,520 Major, thank you very much for this information. I think you've related good many concerns that people have had about the Project Blue Book and UFOs in general. 405 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,520 I hope so, Paul. Feel free to call me anytime. 406 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,520 Thank you, sir. 407 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Bye. 408 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,520 Major Edward Derry Berry, Public Information Officer, Hanscom Air Force Base, Bedford, Massachusetts, and that friend is the Horses Mountain. 409 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,520 You reported here last Thursday? 410 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Right. 411 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,520 That was as of Tuesday night at the Blackout? 412 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,520 Right. Now, I tried to reach the last Thursday but I couldn't seem to. But I heard the report this morning. 413 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,520 You did. 414 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,520 And did anyone say that this was a vapor trail? 415 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520 No, we said it was the moon. That's what it was. 416 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:24,520 The moon was bright and it was a vapor trail. I had never seen a vapor trail at night. And this was a vapor trail to the right of the moon. 417 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Oh, really? 418 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Pardon? 419 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,520 I was wondering if there's any possibility you could have been looking at that Japanese comet? 420 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,520 Well, I thought this was, at first, was a comet. I thought it was. That's why it attracted my attention. 421 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,520 And I looked at it and I seen it at the right. 422 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,520 So, the right of the moon about 45 degrees. And I followed it. And I went over the moon and way over to the left. 423 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:50,520 There was a little tiny object moving at a terrific speed. And there was a light that blinked on it. 424 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,520 And I was going to go back into the house and tell my wife and my son. 425 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,520 But then I thought, it's just a jet. I just kept it on going. I went to work. 426 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:09,520 Sure. You know, the fact that that jet would necessarily have been between you and the moon and flying in that direction could explain why its vapor trail would be visible at night. 427 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,520 Right. 428 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Especially if that vapor trail consisted of frozen droplets, which could interrupt the flow of the light from the moon. 429 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,520 Right. 430 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,520 It must have been pretty exciting to see it though. That's a very unusual place to see a vapor trail. 431 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520 It was very nice. And that's what attracted my attention to it. 432 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,520 One of the benefits of the blackout, you wouldn't have seen it if there had been any surface light. 433 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520 No. Did anyone report this? Would it be a vapor trail? 434 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520 No. Nobody saw that vapor trail. 435 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:40,520 We had Jupiter reported and Venus and several other tin cans and all sorts of objects. But nobody knew it down at the moon. 436 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,520 We, like I said, I've been trying to reach this this Thursday about it. And I thought, well, I'll let you go at that. 437 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,520 But then this morning's report, when I heard you giving it, I just see you. Maybe I better call them. 438 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,520 Yes, that says embellish it considerably. And I hope that there was somebody else who could see this. 439 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Because that would be a very beautiful and unusual sight to see a vapor trail in the reflected light of the sun by way of the moon. 440 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Right. Well, I had never seen one at night, have you? 441 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520 No, I haven't. 442 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:12,520 I've seen it during a day, during World War II. And that's why it struck my eye when I smothered it. 443 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,520 Put it here, Mr. Lodge. And then some thank you for the call from there. 444 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:23,520 I was listening to your talk and I wanted to compare what they were saying about the jet vapor. 445 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,520 The vapor trail lasts to Tuesday night. 446 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Yes, sir. 447 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,520 Did you see it? 448 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,520 My friend and I were outside and we saw it over in the east. 449 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520 Did you recognize it as a vapor trail at the time? 450 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Yes, sir. We did. At first, it put our light. We didn't know what it was, but then we could see the jet and we realized it was a vapor trail. 451 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,520 Very sensible. Did you also believe that the jet was traveling at an unusually high rate of speed? 452 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Yes, sir. 453 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,520 How about that? Any idea what kind of a jet it might have been? 454 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,520 No, sir. 455 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,520 Was the trail single or double? 456 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,520 It seemed to be a double trail. 457 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,520 That doesn't suggest a heck of a lot because so many of the jets now do have double jets even on some of the fighters. 458 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:10,520 It was very wide. Many of the jet trails are too wide, but this was very, very wide. 459 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,520 We still have to see it at night. 460 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:22,520 It's funny that in all the conversation we had about that particular evening, nobody mentioned the jet trail and the other caller wasn't able to get through, although he wanted to mention it. 461 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520 And I'm sure you would have too if you had been able to get through it. 462 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,520 Yes, sir. 463 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520 Thanks, Tim. You're a pretty good observer and I'm glad to hear from you. 464 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,520 Thank you. 465 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,520 WEEI opened all sorts of commentators. That includes Tim Norton, Air Force Base again. 466 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,520 This is typical of the kind of reports that somehow get associated with UFO sightings. 467 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:56,520 I remember that Mr. Adler in Sharon, in all good faith reported to us that there was a joint Army Navy publication called 146B, which would give a man, an officer, 10 years in prison if he disclosed any information about unidentified flying objects without authorization or even with it. 468 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:09,520 It turns out that that 146B joint Army Navy publication has nothing whatever to do with unidentified flying objects. What it has to do with is, attacked by a hostile force. 469 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:20,520 Now, if you want to analyze how that story came about, it's perfectly simple. Supposing we were attacked by flying saucer. You see? No basis whatever. And we all go off half-cocked. 470 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,520 He's still wondering what happened and he'll be able to talk to you about it very shortly. 471 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,520 On WEEI now, Edwin Fogg, Public Relations for the New England UFO Group. Hello Ed, how are you? 472 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,520 Hi, Mr. Bunker. 473 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,520 Let me thank you for your letter and the information it contained. I'm still in the process of digesting it. 474 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,520 Was it of any value to you? 475 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:46,520 Oh yes, and I'm sure it will be. And I said on the air the other day, probably at a time that you weren't able to hear it, that we now have two excellent sources on all UFO questions to go to. 476 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,520 One is Major Derry Berry out at Hanscombe and the other one is you. 477 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:56,520 Well, I appreciate the panel in the back, but I'll try to help out in what manner I can. 478 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520 What have you tonight, Ed? 479 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:10,520 Well, I was just watching that object that Mr. Anderson described on the way home from work tonight. And according to the compass in my automobile, it's approximately west-south-west. 480 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,520 West-south-west? 481 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:29,520 I feel it's somewhat too far south to be Venus. And I am planning to take a photograph after Suburbanite if it's still up there, hoping that it will show up against the star tracks and show if any motion is present in relation to the star tracks. 482 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:37,520 I wonder if you're looking at the same one that Ralph and I just looked at. This is so big that there'd be no contest with any planet in the sky. 483 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:46,520 Certainly no star. The only argument that could be given to it would be the moon. And we said it was about one-fourth or one-third the magnitude of the moon. Does that agree with what you're seeing? 484 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,520 I would say so, yes. I can assure you it's not the moon. 485 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,520 Are you getting a flickering motion from where you're seeing it? 486 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,520 More of a pulsing. 487 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Pulsing? Better, much better. And is it somewhat old-vaped in shape? 488 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,520 I couldn't see it that clearly at the time because the car was moving. 489 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,520 Where are you now? 490 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,520 I'm home. In Marlborough. 491 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,520 Are you able to see it from there? 492 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,520 Just vaguely. I'm looking out my bedroom window at the moment. I can just barely make it out. 493 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,520 If I keep moving back and forth, I can see it between the tree branches. 494 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:23,520 Ralph says it's much lower than when he's seen it before. And it does seem low enough and bright enough that it must be terrestrial in some fashion. 495 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:34,520 Right. Apparently it's moving towards the horizon. And that position would be moving in a direction of approximately at right angles to the way the stars would show up. 496 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,520 So, you might get something on a film play. 497 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,520 I think if settling this much now, I'm not going to wait until after supper. 498 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,520 Okay, I'll be interested to do what you find. 499 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,520 Right. And I'll leave a call you Monday. I'll put a print in the mail over the weekend so you'll have it Monday. 500 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520 Fine. Thank you, Ed. Good to hear from you. 501 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,520 Devon Sheer, 8600. Man knows what he's doing. And he's going to be able to tell us. 502 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,520 You're welcome to give it a try, though. Devon Sheer, 8600. 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